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Comment on What was the trout swim bait controversy? by The Wormist

The Wormist — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:15:59 +0000

not so much of a controversy. more of an urban legend.
when the castaic trout was introduced, it’s appearance to a live trout was so close, many anglers on the shore and even in other boats thought it’s user was tossing a live trout. especially when fished during a fish stocking. "Hey! that guy’s catching trout and using ‘em!". when viewed from a couple hundred feet away, that is what it looked like. didn’t take long for the warden to recognize these guys.
and the AC plug was mentioned. alan cole had the colorado river stripers to himself for a while on his big plugs. could have also been thought to be using live fish. l seem to recall some problems he was having but as far as l know, he never got ticketed. not real familiar with his story. l do have one of his originals in my lure collection. picked it up at a swapmeet for a couple bucks.
nowadays, it is rarely given a second thought with all the big swimbaits being marketed, up to even 16 inches.
until the AC plug, very few freshwater lures were much larger than 5 or 6 inches. using a lure of 12 or 14 inches (bigger than many saltwater lures) was unheard of unless you were a musky angler, and socal bass fishing wasn’t at all connected with musky fishing. otherwise, musky lures would have been favored for years, which they weren’t.
some lifelike ones now sell for as much as 300 dollars which puts most out of my price range, so l built one of 16 inches and used it a few times (a bitch to cast). had a couple followers on it but no biters.
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Comment on What was the trout swim bait controversy? by Bob

Bob — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:50:59 +0000

Sounds like you are referring to the AC plug and it’s so called inventor Alan Cole. This took place in the 90′s. Mr. Cole obtained a patent on the a jointed swim bait, made from wood with a plastic tail and painted it to look like a rainbow trout. It was used originally for stripped bass at Pyramid lake and on the Colorado River in So. Cal. and later for large mouth bass in the area. Many old timers had made and used these lures for years. Cole some how got the patent which upset many people, especially when he tried to enforce the patent. One of them I knew, and claimed that he showed Cole how to make them, and this gentleman always insisted that live trout were commonly used by Cole.

Prior to this Cole had a reputation for bending the F&G rules, one of which was using live trout for bait. The joke was that the best way to know if you had a genuine AC plug was that if you didn’t get a bass with it, at the end of the day you could clean it and eat it. With his heavy handed way of enforcing his patent, it only fed the rumor mill. Cole always was in the Western Outdoor news with pictures of strings of large fish he claimed to have caught using his lures. which caused even more resentment.

I don’t know if he ever was caught doing this. I was in the tackle business full time back then and fished the lakes at the same time Cole was there. I do know he was on the F&G watch list, got this from a warden and a friend that worked at the lake for the Sheriffs dept. I was told that the method he used was to fly line a trout and kept a lighted cigarette close by to cut the line quickly if he thought he was being watched or about to be checked.

I think that some of the stories were true, and that some of it may have been exaggerated by the people that AC pissed off. I had dealings with him, and my shop actually sold some of his lures. But because of him being such a disagreeable SOB, we finally threw him and his product out of the store.
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Comment on where can i get passion for angling or the compleat angler or hyuel morgan fly fishing sorry about my spelling? by The Wormist

The Wormist — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:29:59 +0000

unless someone here hears your plea and donates you one, probably none free.
although, while in jr high school, the school librarian gave me a pile of old fishing books which included, by the way, a copy of walton’s treatise. printed in late 1800s. by no means a first edition, but still old.
check all the schools and libraries locally. a possibility.
beside google, you also have amazon books and ebay. between the 3, probably every book ever written.
another hysterical fishing book to look for would be "How to Fish Good" by Milford "Stanley" Poltroon. a great little out of print soft-back published by West Yellowstone Press.

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Comment on How many carp or tench can be stocked into a lake per acre? by Goop's

Goop's — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:15:59 +0000

It will depend on the size of the fish , if you get in touch with the Environment Agency they will let you know by Kg per Acre.
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Comment on What was the trout swim bait controversy? by Grand Master Basser®

Grand Master Basser® — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:14:59 +0000

Hmm…

I use those big trout swimbaits half the time I’m fishing and I have never heard anything of it. I’m gonna have to look into that…
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Comment on where can i get passion for angling or the compleat angler or hyuel morgan fly fishing sorry about my spelling? by Chadd

Chadd — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:52:59 +0000

You can find some amazing editions of "The Compleat Angler" by Izaak Walton on Google Books:

http://books.google.com/books?q=compleat+angler&btnG=Search+Books

I’ve never looked at them all, but a couple years ago I found one that had some cool illustrations and exceedingly detailed footnotes. It was from the 1920s, I think (don’t have it with me). At first I just downloaded the Acrobat file and I would read it on my computer, but last year I printed the entire document (double sided) and then took it to a copy shop and had them cut it down to the original page size and bind it. Cost me about $2 in paper and about that much at the copy shop. It’s about 2 inches thick and has tons and tons of cool info and images in it. It also includes Joseph Cotton’s continuation of Izaak Walton’s story, which is worth having. You can get a copy of "The Compleat Angler" for a few dollars at any ordinary bookstore, but it will be nowhere near as jam-packed as some of those old, unavailable editions on Google Books.

Sorry — I’m not familiar with "Passion for Angling" and I didn’t find any free books by that name in Google Books. I did a quick search on Hyuel Morgan and found nothing at all related to fishing.

Seeing that you’re in the U.K., I might ask if you’ve ever read "Fly Fishing: Memories of Angling Days" by J.R. Hartley? That might be a dumb question, but is an such an excellent book, not to mention hysterically funny at times. I could never say enough good about it.
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Comment on How many carp or tench can be stocked into a lake per acre? by the fishing cabin

the fishing cabin — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:52:59 +0000

im not sure of the answer but there is a fellow here http://www.thefishingcabin.co.uk/apps/profile/profilePage?id=50848011 who owns a carp fisherie in france who may help
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http://www.thefishingcabin.co.uk i joined this angling network site which welcomes everyone.

Comment on What was the trout swim bait controversy? by unmamfqlm

unmamfqlm — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:41:59 +0000

I'm not too sure on that one. I do know that a lot of controversy has been caused due to the type of plastic used on some of the swimbaits. A lot are non-biodegradable which will supposedly "ruin" bodies of water. Of course, this wasn't just with swimbaits but a lot of baits. A lot of companies now have either switched or are experimenting with different polymers and what not to help resolve the issue. But again, I haven't heard of your specific story. Seems interesting.
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Comment on How many carp or tench can be stocked into a lake per acre? by nudangler

nudangler — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:41:59 +0000

Good question this, if the balance is not right the carp will out eat the tench therefore the lesser fish would suffer,there is no hard and fast solution to this but sense and logic would prevail,there are so many factors to take in consideration,suffice to say that if I were in the situation to do the stocking I would definitely get in touch with the Environment Agency in that area for advice.
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Life long angler.

Comment on How many carp or tench can be stocked into a lake per acre? by The Wormist

The Wormist — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:34:59 +0000

wow! one is like, way too many!
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